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Alright. Welcome to the OMG, I’m Launching podcast. I am your host, Ken Westgaard, and today I have Cindy with me. Welcome, Cindy. Oh, thank you for having me, Ken. This is so exciting. I’m being interviewed by a Norway, Norway podcast host. It’s a big deal to me. That’s a big deal.

I’m glad to have you. Today we’re gonna talk a little bit about you and the stuff that you do, and we’re gonna talk about your launches, but we’re also gonna talk about self-care and how we tend to put ourselves last instead of putting ourselves first. But before we get into that, I would love for you to just give us a quick intro of,

you know, who you are, who you help, and how you help people. Hi, my name is Cindy. Thank you for watching this. I’m the non-diet nutrition coach at Cindy Chan Phillips Nutrition. Basically, I help women over 50 avoid the discouraging weight gain and the exhausting yo-yo dieting without counting calories so that they can wake up feeling good naturally in the morning.

And I do this via two programs. One is a six week nutrition, six week program, and the another one is called a restart program. The other one is called RISE Program, is a six month group coaching program. In fact, I’m in the middle of a launch of the restart program. Awesome. I would love to hear a little bit about your journey of where you started and where you’re at now and how that’s been for you.

I was a stay-at-home mom raising two babies. One day my mom was sick, you know, in the US you have to book an appointment, you can’t just walk in. So I think she had a flu. I just, the prospect of waiting for three weeks to get an appointment was not good. So I thought, hey, now here is a walk-in clinic,

let’s go in and let’s just wait however many hours we need to wait, but at least we’ll be seen. So we walked in there and I was living in Southern California and there was a large population of undocumented aliens, we call that undocumented immigrants from from Mexico. So there were a lot of patients from, from the population. And in that three hours in the waiting room,

I saw a lot, I saw the young Latino moms keep giving the sugar drinks to their babies, to the toddlers in the three hours. It’s the colors of the drinks I have not seen before. It’s like red, it’s primary color, red, blue, orange. And I was, I always had that urge. It’s like, I wanna grab their risk and say,

no, that’s enough. What don’t, you know, not baby kids don’t drink this color water. But then it got me thinking, perhaps they don’t know, you know, I can certainly empathize with the, with the urge to please our children to make our children happy. So maybe they, maybe that they, maybe they don’t know. So that really got me thinking of being part of a solution.

And through the very next day I enroll in, in a community college nutrition class. So the people take me seriously. So that was a beginning of a journey and I ended up getting a master degree in nutrition science. And I have been a dietician for 10 years, helping people stay healthy. And do you do this by being just online or do you also have like a place where you I started out as a,

I started out as a primary dietician of a critical care unit caring for people with liver failure. So I really see downstream of what can happen if we keep doing, not taking care of ourself. So I went from doing that to now helping people stay healthy so they don’t end up being the patients that I, that I saw in my first journey. And,

and I was the nutrition education director for a non-profit agricultural organization for eight years. And after that I started my own practice and I saw one-on-one clients in person in my office, but also online as well. But now I have been really putting my focus on promoting my, my course, my restart course as well as my group program. So I’m kind of a closing down,

not really accepting you one-on-one clients for the most part. Exactly. And with that, you obviously have gone through a launch or two, and I would love to hear what that experience has been for you doing a launch and you know how it’s evolved from your first launch to last launch. Well, you are the, you are the master that I want to learn from.

So, absolutely. So this has been a rather new journey for me, Ken. So I went from being a one-on-one nutrition coach to a online entrepreneur, of course created in a very, very short time. But I think this has been, I went through, this is sort of my second launch. I think it has been a journey of discovering myself where my,

my mental weakness is. And even during the actual mechanics of the launch. Right now I’m doing just a four days open card with a webinar launch, but I have done a three day, three day back to back life launch. So I really saw the how my mind trick, not trick me, just give me the negative thought and just put me my mental energy down to the,

to the ground level and how I can go from really confident to, and then just needing to reach for the energy to pick myself up again because I still have two more days of life launch to go because I still have like, you know, 15 minutes more to go. And I see some people leaving my webinar and I’m going, wait, I still haven’t got my offer yet.

Don’t leave. Can you relate to that? Oh yeah. So, so that kind of, I think is more of learning about my, my mental energy. So to be an entrepreneur and to launch, it’s a very lonely and stressful experience. And I think of that as a endurance sport because you are holding energy not just for yourself. You are learning about your,

your sort of your dip and valley through that, that launch process, whether it is one week, and this is not to include all your two months of pre-launch runway, all the constant content, social media, checking every day, your opt-in rate, checking every day, your ad checking every day, the number in your crm, the opt-in number. And it is just crazy,

right? Just like, oh, two more. That doesn’t make your day. You are out go a little bit better. Oh, hasn’t changed. So not only do you have to hold the energy for yourself, you hold the energy for the prospects as well. You have to hold the space for them, not just the energy for yourself. You have to hold the space for your client,

for your prospect to get them to say yes to you is an endurance sport. Would you, would you, would you agree with that? A hundred percent. I mean the mental game, it’s, yeah, I mean I don’t think people understand if they haven’t launched, they don’t understand how much of the mental game is going on with the launch. It’s just like you said,

you know, it’s that rollercoaster of being on a, well, when you start to launch, you’re really excited because you know you’re about to launch and you, you know, get that message out to the world. But as soon as that launch is going and maybe not seeing the numbers that you would like, then you go into this deep down negative black hole and it’s hard to get out of that one sometimes,

you know? And yeah, I think you were quite spot on in how you explain it and it’s definitely more like a 80% mindset thing and then 20% work than the other way around, which people seem to think it’s, Yes. I think the mistake that most entrepreneurs, including myself make, is thinking of that as a sprint. Sport is an endurance sport.

So, And I can understand why they think so because you do launch and it’s just like you said, you use a four day window and that’s launch. But in fact it is a marathon because you do launch and that’s just, you know, at the finish line. But it’s all the work that’s coming before that. Yes. Now Ken, have you,

have you run like 5K 15 K in your in the past? For my clients, yes. So I think this is, think about that. If you know that you are running a 15 K or half marathon, 13 miles, you sort of know that your end game is at the end of the 13 miles or your end game is the end of the 15 K.

So it is that endurance sport is not a 200 meter, no, no launch is 200 meters, nothing. Right? So if you think about that, you think about if you have two runners, would you push a endurance runner out the starting gate on an empty tank? Or alternatively, if you have another runner taking care of himself and knowing what to do to take care of himself and herself on a daily basis,

well-nourished eating the right thing. And by the way, there’s no bad good foods just eating the right thing. Two runners out the running gate, which runner will get to the end of the 5K and perform better. Obviously one who’s not running under the empty tank, Obviously not one with an empty tank. So you want to be the one, not,

not the one running on time. You’ll be the one being well taken, taken care of. And then I also see another mistake that entrepreneurs thought is that, you know, after I closed my card, after the, the last day I’m gonna go to fishing, I’m gonna reward myself, I’m gonna take my family for a vacation, I’m gonna get to get a deep tissue massage or the facial or the spa.

Those are all great things, but I think self care is not one individual activity that you put on your calendar and save money for. That’s great. But I think you think about self-care as that runner out there, you just, just don’t feed that runner right before the night before. Yeah. You want to make sure that his, his muscles are full with glycogen,

that he’s eating well, the minerals the iron are well, so the same thing you think about self-care is, is a daily activity. And, and there are some elements I think are non-negotiable. So you want to be the runner with properly taken care of so that you don’t run out of steam. So as you say, can you say earlier there’s such,

there’s such a mental acrobatic experience and it’s a lonely experience. Your wife wouldn’t, your wife would be supportive and loving your wife probably wouldn’t, couldn’t really experience and fathom the dip and the valley in the peak. My husband as loving as he’s, to me, he wouldn’t understand all that too. It’s, it’s a, it’s a, it’s a long game.

But even that mental, which is agreed that even that mental energy you’re talking about can the, the, the mindset, the 80% mindset, but even that mental energy is physical energy. Yeah. I mean it will put your entire body into, you know, it, it drains energy from entire body. It’s not just the mine obviously. So it’s like you said,

you know, if you don’t take care of the entire body itself, then that’s gonna affect the energy that you bring out into the launch itself. So definitely when you do show up for, well things are, a lot of things are, you know, video is webinars, live launches, challenge, blah blah, all that stuff. And you’re putting yourself out there,

you know, and that’s when you need that energy to kind of show up and just really give it all. But that’s gonna be hard if you are struggling both mentally and you are not taking care of your body physically as well. Exactly. Exactly. Like giving it all, what do you have to give giving it all? Well we have all done that,

right? Ken White knuckling white knuckling ourselves. I’m gonna give it all. And, and I think, I think for, for sometimes as you can, you can you on the, the, the store energy, the store glycogen in your muscle in your liver, but you just feel awful, you know that feeling. Can you, you, you know,

you need to bring a hundred percent and you just feel like you are running against a wall. But I mean the camera’s still on, the car’s still open, right? You still have objections to handle. It’s an awful feeling. You have to kind of reach in deep for that. So let me, let me give you an example. I don’t know whether you a night owl or you are morning person or you’re both,

I’m more, more like a night owl than morning person for sure. So This question I got kids, so, you know, gotta get up early anyway. You have kids? Yeah. Oh yeah. They have to go to school, so Oh yeah. Basically have to get up in the morning to get him going. So let’s just say 11:00 PM to me,

11 PM’s very late. So 11:00 PM Do you feel, and you’re still working, you’re still typing your email, you still putting out at piece of content, do you feel like hungry like 11:00 PM Sure. Sometimes I do. Yeah, Right. You, you feel you just need, you just can’t concentrate as as well. You just need to go maybe wherever you can see in your kitchen.

Okay. And some people will do that out of habit. Some people do that constantly. And that’s part of cravings and that’s actually just a topic of what I’ve just done in my webinar launch. But what happening is you are burning a lot of glucose in your brain. This is the most important organ in your whole body. That every time you think about solving problem,

you are thinking about bringing up your energy, the resetting your mindset. You are burning a glucose. So you are taking up energy in terms of fuel to do that mental game as you mentioned. Where does that come from? That come from good quality diet that come from taking care of yourself. That’s why when I say mental energy is physical energy, they come from the same purse of go coins.

Right? Yep. That makes sense. So have you seen this help you when you did a launch, especially when you did that three day live launch? I mean that would’ve made a huge impact on how you would show up, obviously. Thank you for saying that Ken. That was a, a very humbling experience. I didn’t get any sale from that three day life launch,

but that was my first launch. Also, I think as I said, they’ll learn more about my, my my energy because every person is different. Every person is different expectation. You know, me being Chinese, there is just that demonn of perfectionism that I’m still working through it and there’s a a reason behind that too. So the fall was hard for me because of that professionalism.

But that’s something I get to learn and I get to work on myself and that’s a, that’s a huge, huge journey. So can I tell you a little bit about how sort of I have reached a, a a, a milestone about my professionalism? Absolutely. Yeah. I would love it for share. Have you been to Times Square or have you seen the Times Square,

you know, video and, Yeah, So there’s this, a lot of the big screen right on the building and there’s this jumbotron on the NAS stack building. It’s like 50 foot tall. I was on the jumbotron 50 oh foot tall image of me in fact hold, can I show you a picture? Sure, look at that. So that was me.

And I took this picture standing right here in my red sweater and I was going, whoa, I’m on top of the world. I finally recognized dietician for all the world in Times Square to see, but only I knew what I was hiding in my education. I was taught to cut calories to help people lose weight and don’t eat fat, avoid fat if you wanna lose weight.

I wanted to blend in as an immigrant. So I went along with that and I did it better than anybody else to help people cut calories. I’m the queen of giving you a meal plan that has a low calorie number, but it just didn’t make sense the entire time. I have this conflict, the dissonance in my head. I remember growing up around people never counting calories and that weight has was really the issue.

In fact, I remember my mom mincing pork by hand using the Chinese cleaver repeatedly by hand until the consistency was done. And this steamed pork belly is delicious with hot steamy bowl of rice. And I was eight year old in Hong Kong. But I, I hide my heritage. I didn’t want people to see that part of me. And I, I wanted to blend in.

I wanted my, I wanna publish in journals, I want to be invited to medical conference, I want to be on jumbotron. I did all of that of that. But until one day I realized that I was not showing up for myself. I had that perfect professional image that I want to project. I was hiding literally my Chinese medicine books, one from the 15th century.

I was hiding my basement. I would read them at night cuz I grew up around the traditional Chinese medicine. Until one day I realize I can’t do this anymore. I am living two worlds and here I am helping women. They come to me and I am not showing up fully. So when women come to me that they have been hiding from the evening cravings,

they’ve been hiding in a big loose sweater in the winter because of the, the gain some weight from the holidays. I know what it’s like and I’m also working through my perfection and really being okay to making mistakes during a life webinar and not having the sale and not seeing myself as a total failure is a work in progress. So that solution that I come up with also has to do with,

I’m gonna say, you know what? That’s it. I’m going to speak my language. I’m not going to, I’m done with speaking other people language, figuratively and literally cuz English is not my first language, but I’m gonna still continue to speak English. But I am going to say there’s got to be a point where merch, the western nutrition science and the traditional Chinese medicine,

there’s gotta be a point. And that point I realize is less about the food itself is about building a healthy body from the within. That is the vehicle of helping people stay healthy, taking care of themselves by aligning the outside skill that you learn along with the inside factors. Building a healthy body from within. I think that is not different from what can you’ve been helping your people to.

Cuz you mentioned about mindset. Yeah cuz I would say that even, you know, you working on that perfection and learning about, you know, just accepting that you are who you are and let that shine out to the world in itself is also taking care of yourself. Because when you weren’t being yourself, obviously that is not taking care of yourself. You are hiding everything within and that’s causing a lot of conflict within your mind and the feelings that you have and the energy they have.

So I would say that that’s part of the self-care as well. Thank you for saying that. You, you’re absolutely right. I think the whole, all these years of almost like living two worlds at home, I am like living that Chinese health view world and then I have the western nutrition science outside that drain a lot of energy because I was not eating,

I was not eating my own medicine. Exactly. That’s that stress of maintaining that. And that’s such a release, that’s such a liberation. And I think, and I think whoever’s watching this, you will get there. You will get there. If you think you have to figure that out, you will get there. You will find there. Yeah.

And I think in terms of launching, just being yourself 100% is such a huge part of success today. I mean maybe back in the day that wasn’t so important. It was more about the marketing strategies and you know, all that. But I think today when you see people who are, you know, you have more of the heart led entrepreneurs, you know,

heart center entrepreneurs, whatever you wanna call it, I think that just shows that people want that genuine, authentic person that they can connect with, that they, you know, they can resonate with, they can see themselves within the, and you can see them dealing with stuff and overcoming some of this stuff. I think that’s a huge part of the success that we see today with a lot of entrepreneurs.

I don’t know if you agree with that. I think so. I think so. I think that’s funny you say that Ken, when you see some entrepreneurs that you admire, it’s kind of, you don’t know why you admire them, right? You don’t think about, oh, I admire them because of this with, or that you just tend to follow them,

but there’s gotta be something that connects you and you, I think it’s something that from their ability to be themself that connects you. And I think that’s, that’s just more fun. That’s more, that’s priceless. I tell you that I made a mistake in my, I queue up some of my email in the open card and years ago, you know,

I was so tired, I meant to send an email out 10:00 PM after the webinar. I said to 10:00 AM So I sent out the webinar replay, he’s here, but the webinar has not happened. So have you done that? I haven’t done that one, no. So what, so I have people call text, the link doesn’t work. I said,

no, no, no, webinar has not happened. Webinars today. So in the, in the old self of me, I would just spend a lot of my energy beating myself up, beating myself up. And then A lot of people would Do it. I would show up on the webinar launch feeling ah, like empty. Yeah. Yes. So kind of working through that,

that prison of professionalism, I can’t say I’m completely out of the jail, but I’m working, I’m breaking down the, the bars right now it, and I said to myself, it’s okay. So I just sent a oopsie email broadcast and then fix it in my signature. I said, okay, this is a real one after 10:00 PM And I said,

and I, in my signature, I said, imperfect Cindy. And, and, and I hope I’m not disowned by my Chinese peers. Definitely not. Yeah, that’s such a great way to experience something and get a lesson out of something that, like you said, normally that could, you know, ruin the entire webinar and you can beat yourself up the entire day.

But, you know, it’s, we we’re human, we make mistakes and tech is not always on our side either. So I mean, these things happen and it’s just good to find a way that we can learn to accept that and take the lesson from it. I mean that’s been definitely one of the biggest things that I’ve learned is to, you know,

look for the lessons and the things that go wrong for us instead of beating ourselves up because it happened, you know, but it’s not always easy. But usually there is lesson if you just look hard enough. No, I totally agree. Totally agree. You mentioned something earlier about putting ourself last. Yeah, I, it kind of, it really makes me think because yes,

we, you know, we are course creator, we are entrepreneurs, we launch, but we are also husband, we are father, we’re a wife. We have, we have obligations as well. So it’s very real to put our customers first very real, to put other people in a family. First the kids need to get to school, having a breakfast.

Yep. Having a school bag, everything’s packed. Clean clothes, dinner has to be on a table, toilets have to be cleaned for, you know, for me. So it is very, very understandable to put ourself last. And that’s what I see is, is a common mistake of not having the proper self care. And I, so my thought about that is putting,

I, I think the trick, the mind trick, Ken, I don’t know whether you agree with me. The mind tricks that we have for some people is, I put myself last because I’m not, I don’t wanna spend the time on myself. I don’t wanna spend the money. And then for some people maybe it triggers something about self-worth. I’m not worth the time.

I’m not worth the 15 minutes that I should be spending on myself. Okay, would you? Yeah, I would say definitely. And I would think, yeah, and I would think that a lot of people would say maybe something like, you know, I don’t need that. That’s, you know, it’s fine. I it’s not important or something aligned to that.

Yes. And I wanna speak to that. And that happens to both men and women as well. It’s not important. And that shows up in the morning, by the way. It shows up in the morning is breakfast, a lot of time people skip breakfast. So many re three common reasons. I’m too busy or if I skip breakfast, I can cut down on the,

the amount of calories and help me lose weight. And the third is, is I, I I’m, it’s not important, oh, I don’t need that. I can just run through at lunch. But they know at 11:00 AM they know they have that gnawing feeling, they, they are beginning to lose concentration. So I want to offer a few thoughts here.

Think about self-care as a daily priming exercise. And I heard this from Tony Robbins and I think a lot make a lot of sense. They say that an athlete will train his body so that your muscles are the peak shape, but your emotion also need conditioning and training as well. And that really got me thinking. In fact that was then that I started doing this emotional conditional conditioning exercise as part of my daily self-care element.

Can I share some of that with you? Yeah, I would love to, to share That. So there are five elements that I think that we ought to, to do every day as part of our self-care is priming your body, priming your emotion. But I wanna focus on three, just three right now. First is have breakfast. So the reason,

because research has really shown that if you have a, a better quality breakfast, then it really set your energy up through the day you feel more energy and in fact at night you are less likely to go for the chocolate bars and the cookies and the research from University of Missouri, very, very interesting body of research. They’ve shown that a group of overweight young women,

they actually ate fewer fatty and sugary cravings when they have eggs for breakfast. So if you are a breakfast skipper, rethink that, have breakfast, have anything. So even if some breakfast is better than no breakfast, right? A breakfast with some protein doesn’t have to be fancy at all. An egg peanut butter on toast that gives you some protein or Greek yogurt that give you 17 grams of protein.

So some, I call that high quality protein breakfast. Having a protein rich breakfast is better than breakfast cereal. So have that, that’s one element you will feel the different try that. And number two is that you want to practice gratitude. And I used to think gratitude was Abu thing, not important. But if you practice gratitude, actually it attracts more good things to you.

It kind of attract more abundance to you. That’s the emotional conditioning. Think about it. We do that every day, right? So I know some people like to write and I don’t write, I just sit in silent in my closet, in my closet, right? And I simply bring myself back to a moment or day or event in the past that has brought me tremendous calm and joy and gratefulness.

And I bring myself back to that day, back to that moment and relieve that moment. Because your body, your mind does not know that you are simply thinking about a memory or that you are actually living in that moment. Your mind, your hormones and your the neurotransmitters think that you are living in that moment. So you wanna bring yourself in that moment that takes five minutes.

So breakfast will take about six minutes, six minutes to make, four minutes to eat, no distraction. So that’s two. The third element is movement. Movement is non-negotiable. Whether you are with anything, whether you don’t doing silly jumpy jump or whether you’re bending by your waist and just shake down your head like a rag doll or you run or you walk or you do yoga,

you stretch you. In fact, when, when you couldn’t see me, I just saw my 15 pound weight, I would say, okay, why not need to lift some weight when, when Ken can see me again. So whatever that fit you right? The 10 minutes movement is the new medicine. I just read something the other day that really speaks to me that we are suffering from a illness of complacency and illness,

of not putting us muscle through stress enough. So three things, movement, just put your physical body and also it benefits your mind as well. Get more oxygen into your cells. Gratitude and breakfast, those are three elements. Do that daily. Should take about 25 minutes, 10 minutes for breakfast, five minutes of gratitude, 10 for movement. And I,

I went into a little bit more depth of that in, in one of my Facebook life. So if you go to my Facebook page, you scroll through that, you can see that episode of that Beautiful, thank you so much for sharing that. It’s, you know, it’s crazy how simple things like that can make such a huge impact for your entire day or you know,

if you continue doing this obviously for your entire life. But simple things, love it. You know, you, you say it so beautifully, Ken about the mental game. The numbers not what you, we plan it to be. And that can really trigger a, the purpose and a worthiness in a lot of people, right? Because we don’t have a paycheck every month.

The paycheck every month is, is like a way of, okay, you’ve done your month’s work in us, you get paid twice a month, you, you, you’ve done your two weeks worth. It’s almost like, it’s almost like, you know, proof of purpose. But as an entrepreneur you put in the word, you put in the work,

the numbers might not be where you want to be. And, and in fact, I’m going through that right now. I have to constantly work myself again. Is, is am I what I’m doing? Is there a purpose to it? Am I, am I on the right purpose? That’s why the daily practice of gratitude reminds me that yes, my life has purpose,

my life has joy, my life has that gratitude by living through that again, it just helps to ground me. Yeah. And the funny thing is the other side of that coin is, you know, you put in all that work and you feel worthy because you put in all the work and maybe you see some results from that as well. But maybe you get to a point where you don’t have to put in all that work anymore.

And suddenly it’s like, well am am I doing enough? Is this, am I, oh, could I be doing more? Should I be doing more? You know, so this always two sides on that one. Even though you’re still, you should be grateful for the fact that you come to this place where you don’t actually have to put in all that work anymore.

That’s crazy. That’s so true. Right? Success brings another element at every level. It does. So the almost like you have to prepare, you have to have the mental energy Again, Success. Yeah. That’s so funny. But is there anything that you feel like we haven’t discussed that you wanna make sure that we touch upon before we wrap this up?

Well I wanna, I, I really like our fellow entrepreneur to start somewhere. And I really, really want you to, I really want you to reframe the thought, not you, but anybody’s watching this to reframe the thought of, I put myself last because I’m not important and I think I know what that comes from. It’s a logical thinking. Cuz if I have 15 minutes I’m gonna help other people.

I shouldn’t feel spend the 15 minutes on myself. I think that’s what it means. But I wanted to think about like that you are the center from you all the goodness radiates to your wife, to your husband, to your children. The most important part of the business is the business of you. If you spend some time in taking care of yourself,

that’s the most beautiful way of taking care of other people. The folks radiate from you. So it is not a zero sum game. Spend time on yourself doesn’t mean it detract from the people around you that you love. It actually adds to it. I can tell you that when I was raising my two years old, my, my twins, they’re 23 year old now.

I was stay-at-home mom and for those of you, I can’t do, do you have children? You know that time right when you hardly have time to go to the bathroom, Right? So even so eating in peace was like out of the window. So in the morning they were about one year old. And so my life was like that. I couldn’t even go to the bathroom in peace cuz they would be knocking on the bathroom door,

having two kids fighting and crying and, and all of that and grocery shopping. Why or why in the morning I live in San Diego. So I was a subscriber of the newspaper called the San Diego Union Tribune. It’s this thick. Even though I had no time through the day at all, taking care of them, cooking, shopping, cleaning, changing diapers.

But that morning in, in the morning, I would say, mommy is eating breakfast and reading my newspaper don’t bother me. It actually worked amazing. I don’t know how it worked. It’s like they knew or drew the line in a sand. So they right. They actually didn’t fight. They didn’t make a sound. And I would read my union tribute and that’s my,

my my feel for my mind. Okay? And so it, you draw a line and the world will adjust to it because you are feeding this most important part of your business and it radiates goodness. Beautiful said. Yeah. And it’s like kind of like, you know, when the flight attendants tell you to make sure that you put on your own oxygen mask first before you help others.

Same principle, you know, take care of yourself before you take care of Others. Oh that’s beautiful. That’s, that’s it. That’s it. That’s it. Well I wanna say thank you so much Cindy for coming on the show and sharing your, you know, your experience and your knowledge about taking care of ourselves and what you’ve gone through as well.

Is there any way that people can connect with you or work with you or any kinda form? You can definitely connect with me on my Instagram, Cindy Phillips Rd and I also have, every week I have a Facebook Life touching on a different nutrition solution. It’s Tuesday so far, Tuesday morning, so on, you can find that on Cindy Chan Phillips Nutrition.

And my email address is cindy@cindychanphillips.com and also my website is cindychanphillips.com as well. And I just finished a webinar on how five, how to stop evening cravings in five days. And I think I might have included a link with you. If not then let me know and I would share that with, with your audience so they can watch the,

the webinar replay. Yes, absolutely. We’ll link up everything in the show notes that you have for us and, and people have something to cl click through. But again, thank you so much for coming on show and I really appreciate it. Thank you for having me. And hey, let’s keep up. Let’s keep up the work. Absolutely. And thank you for everybody who’s listening in this week.

Take care.